Comments on: Finding the Art of Forgiveness: Part 5 http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php Improving Our "Signals" and "Beings" Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:41:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Joshua Uebergang http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php/comment-page-1#comment-8505 Joshua Uebergang Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:13:27 +0000 http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/2007/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php#comment-8505 Marie, you seem to say that age gives you experiences that young people are yet to experience. That is, young people have not been burdened by troubles that elderly people are influenced by. To me, that appears as an excuse for not forgiving. What I'm talking about here is not forgiving such that things go back to the way they were before. That is forgiving and forgetting which is divine. Go and learn from the past, move somewhere if you want, but that is completely different to holding a grudge and not forgiving. If you were to say "get out of my life forever", that is fine of course. It becomes a problem when you are burdened by resentment. Forgiveness helps you move on, but that doesn't mean you live ignorant to the past, which is what you might be hinting at. Marie, you seem to say that age gives you experiences that young people are yet to experience. That is, young people have not been burdened by troubles that elderly people are influenced by. To me, that appears as an excuse for not forgiving.

What I’m talking about here is not forgiving such that things go back to the way they were before. That is forgiving and forgetting which is divine. Go and learn from the past, move somewhere if you want, but that is completely different to holding a grudge and not forgiving.

If you were to say “get out of my life forever”, that is fine of course. It becomes a problem when you are burdened by resentment. Forgiveness helps you move on, but that doesn’t mean you live ignorant to the past, which is what you might be hinting at.

]]> By: Marie http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php/comment-page-1#comment-8483 Marie Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:42:14 +0000 http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/2007/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php#comment-8483 Joshua, there is a truth that your youth may not allow you to understand: Not all offenses are forgivable. Not all hurts are fixed with an apology -- spoken or otherwise. Sometimes the person who has been hurt has every reason and every right to say simply, "Leave me alone forever, and forever stay out of my life." In such cases, an attempt to approach the person to "give an apology" is simply one more offense. In such cases, it is only youth that would try to suggest to the injured party that he is "holding a grudge." Sometimes what the injured party is doing is defending himself against re-injury. Sometimes offenses are so great that the best course for the injured party is to cut all ties and all associations with the offending party. Joshua, there is a truth that your youth may not allow you to understand: Not all offenses are forgivable. Not all hurts are fixed with an apology — spoken or otherwise. Sometimes the person who has been hurt has every reason and every right to say simply, “Leave me alone forever, and forever stay out of my life.” In such cases, an attempt to approach the person to “give an apology” is simply one more offense. In such cases, it is only youth that would try to suggest to the injured party that he is “holding a grudge.” Sometimes what the injured party is doing is defending himself against re-injury. Sometimes offenses are so great that the best course for the injured party is to cut all ties and all associations with the offending party.

]]> By: elaine http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php/comment-page-1#comment-2779 elaine Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:08:51 +0000 http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/2007/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php#comment-2779 I want an apology and to be forgiven not because the person was wrong but I will know that they love, care and still have me on their mind as do I want to be given the chance to let them know that I forgive love, care and have them on my mind, always :cool: I want an apology and to be forgiven not because the person was wrong but I will know that they love, care and still have me on their mind as do I want to be given the chance to let them know that I forgive love, care and have them on my mind, always :cool:

]]> By: usha http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php/comment-page-1#comment-1568 usha Fri, 18 May 2007 06:08:41 +0000 http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/2007/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php#comment-1568 thanksss a lottttttttttttttt for the article...it feels so good within ourself to at least know what we would like to know...thank u so much ! God bless you ! thanksss a lottttttttttttttt for the article…it feels so good within ourself to at least know what we would like to know…thank u so much !
God bless you !

]]> By: gitari david http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php/comment-page-1#comment-1155 gitari david Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:52:15 +0000 http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/2007/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php#comment-1155 Everyone in mylife are now benefiting from the profund light shed by your most illuminating articles .I feel like i finally located my coach.Cant wait to try all this tips.today i did with a collegue at work and boy was it a success or what! Cheers joshua. Everyone in mylife are now benefiting from the profund light shed by your most illuminating articles .I feel like i finally located my coach.Cant wait to try all this tips.today i did with a collegue at work and boy was it a success or what! Cheers joshua.

]]> By: ibrahim http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php/comment-page-1#comment-1125 ibrahim Tue, 10 Apr 2007 05:41:44 +0000 http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/2007/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php#comment-1125 Thanks for your many educative articles which have assisted me and given me ideas. Some of the articles touched me as if you were describing me. Thanks once again. Thanks for your many educative articles which have assisted me and given me ideas. Some of the articles touched me as if you were describing me. Thanks once again.

]]> By: geoffrey http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php/comment-page-1#comment-1096 geoffrey Mon, 09 Apr 2007 09:42:26 +0000 http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/2007/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php#comment-1096 Many thanks.by the way how was and still is easter? thanks for the many articles. may you keep that spirit. from.Geoffrey mbarara university of science&technology p.o.box.1410 mbarara uganda(east africa) Many thanks.by the way how was and still is easter? thanks for the many articles.
may you keep that spirit.
from.Geoffrey
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]]> By: Muani http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php/comment-page-1#comment-1095 Muani Mon, 09 Apr 2007 06:11:42 +0000 http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/2007/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php#comment-1095 Dear Joshua Thanks for sending your beautiful articles... I enjoy reading. Dear Joshua

Thanks for sending your beautiful articles… I enjoy reading.

]]> By: Joshua Uebergang http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php/comment-page-1#comment-1073 Joshua Uebergang Mon, 09 Apr 2007 00:48:02 +0000 http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/2007/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php#comment-1073 That's a toughie Gerald. There are those who want an apology just for the sake of making another look bad or to bring him down. Because what you are asking is bordering along the lines of a lawsuit, for my own sake I'm keeping my head out of any advice. Most of the course applies to apologizing and forgiving in a personal relationship situation. It sounds as though you are caught in apologizing because of the politics and being pressured. That’s a toughie Gerald. There are those who want an apology just for the sake of making another look bad or to bring him down.

Because what you are asking is bordering along the lines of a lawsuit, for my own sake I’m keeping my head out of any advice.

Most of the course applies to apologizing and forgiving in a personal relationship situation. It sounds as though you are caught in apologizing because of the politics and being pressured.

]]> By: Gerald Brock http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php/comment-page-1#comment-1068 Gerald Brock Sun, 08 Apr 2007 19:00:31 +0000 http://www.earthlingcommunication.com/blog/2007/finding-the-art-of-forgiveness-part-5.php#comment-1068 Well written, helpful, and needed series on "Apology". What advice would you have for a business/political situation to defuse the situation and appease another in which an apology would be tantamount to admission of guilt, that could be used in a lawsuit or for propaganda and may or may not be apporpriate? Have you noticed that political opponents' demands for an apology may be mearly posturing or attempts to damage perceptions/reputation? Aren't such demands and/or admissions really weapons in the art of propaganda? Well written, helpful, and needed series on “Apology”.

What advice would you have for a business/political situation to defuse the situation and appease another in which an apology would be tantamount to admission of guilt, that could be used in a lawsuit or for propaganda and may or may not be apporpriate?

Have you noticed that political opponents’ demands for an apology may be mearly posturing or attempts to damage perceptions/reputation?

Aren’t such demands and/or admissions really weapons in the art of propaganda?

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